October 31, 2007
Endangered Species - The Chemistry Set
Posted by Angry Political Optimist under Uncategorized | Tags: Angry Political Optimist Rants, Chemistry, Education, Endangered Species, Government, Terrorism |What do Islamofacism, methamphetamine production, tort lawyers, and homemade fireworks have in common? The answer is that they are all part of the seemingly inevitable process of destroying the childhood Chemistry Set. A.C. Gilbert, in 1918 was titled the “Man who Saved Christmas” with his innovative ideas of packaging a few glass tubes and some common chemicals into starter kits that enabled a generation to learn the joy of experimentation, and the basis for the scientific method of thought.
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Some of Gilbert’s original sets included such items as sodium cyanide, radioactive samples (complete with a Geiger counter), and glass blowing kits. I will freely admit that one of the first things I did with my chemistry set was to attempt to make an explosive. I remember mixing up chemicals that evolved free chlorine gas and having to evacuate the house. I remember mixing potassium nitrate and sugar to make rocket engines and quickly evolving to higher specific impulse fuels. I remember the joy of finally obtaining some nitric acid which allowed me to nitrate basically everything in the house (cotton for gun cotton, glycerine and alcohol for nitroglycerine). So yes, I have to admit that there is a risk involved. But this is how people learn. Sometimes knowledge comes with pain — one-shot induction.
Today however, the Chemistry Set is toast. Current instantiations are embarrassing. There are no chemicals except those which react at low energy to produce color changes. No glass tubes or beakers, certainly no Bunsen burners or alcohol burners (remember the clear blue flames when the alcohol spilled out over the table). Today’s sets cover perfume mixing and creation of luminol (the ‘CSI effect’ I suppose).
In some States, you need a FBI criminal background check to purchase chemicals. Some metals, like lithium, red phosphorus, sodium and potassium, are almost impossible to purchase in elemental form. This is thanks to their use in manufacturing methamphetamine. Sulphur and potassium nitrate, both useful chemicals, are being classified as class C fireworks (here is a good precursor link). Mail order suppliers of science products are raided. Many over-the-counter compounds now require what is essentially a (poor) background check. Even fertilizer (ammonium nitrate) is under intense scrutiny. Where does this trend end? Ten years from now, will the list include table salt, seawater and natural gas — precursors to many industrical chemicals?
Then there is the liability issue. Of course some people buy into the lets be safe at any cost and assert that much chemistry can be done without explosions and stinky fumes. If a ladder manufacturer is under a constant barrage of liability suits, imagine the torrent of litigation directed to those giving a child a set of potentially dangerous chemicals. Its a CHILD, for God’s sake. [Oh, I'm sorry, for a minute there I was waxing Democrat.]
Yet there is still a little hope. Although Thames and Kosmos can’t ship their sets with the full range of chemicals needed to perform their listed experiments, at least they provide a list of sources from which to acquire them (assuming the appropriate permits, licenses, fees, FEES, background checks, and did I mention fees.) What is at stake here is no less than the future of America’s competitiveness and the innovation the make the United States the magnet for international entrepreneurs and scientists. Without the chemistry set, will we have scientists and innovators, or just a country of rock stars, political commentators and movie idols.
[Author's Note: This article is primarily a result of my frustration in trying to acquire a few hundred grams of potassium carbonate for an electrolyte solution.]
Update: See also Sightings in the Wild on this blog.


October 31, 2007 at 12:32 pm
I used to love playing with chemistry sets, glass tubes and all. I remember the first one I had I mixed up this liquid that was not listed in any of the experiments that came with my set. It changed colors nicely, and when I spilled it on the floor and it started smoking and eating the sealer off of the floor. Numerous fires and smoky rooms later I ran out of chemicals. They were easy to get back then. My mother was not happy about the floor, but she understood that I was learning what all of these did together. I was about 8 years old at this time. Recently my oldest son wanted a chemistry set so we started looking, and as you stated it is hard to find anything good. My wife likes to go to garage sales so one day she talked me into going with her. I just so love looking at other peoples junk. But low and behold, at one of the sales there was a chemistry set. In a metal, tri-folding box. They had a $5 price on it. I opened it up and there were ALL of the chemicals, some had been about half used, but a pretty good collection none the less. I snagged it up for the $5 and went home happy. I think I had as much fun with it as my Son did and no one died, we didnt make any crystal meth. But we created a lot of smoke and a few fires. It even had the glass alcohol burner, the wick had never been lit no alcohol but that was easy to get.
Long Sappy story but I agree totally that this is killing the innovation that this country was built on. If you blow something up you live and you learn and move on to more powerful things, and know not to do that again, unless you want to.
Later On
October 31, 2007 at 12:54 pm
The chemistry set I had, from age ten or so, would cause fits, faints and gunplay today. My dad put it together. I had all the common mineral acids in concentrated AR form, all the glassware needed to do reflux reactions and all the analytical equipment (scales and such) to do the stoichiometry. This was a terrific way to learn chemistry even though my parents and neighbors had good reason to complain about some of the more, uh, dramatic results.
It’s the same with engines, too. You can’t do all the tinkering and tweaking that helps you figure out how machinery works. Even lawn mowers and chain saws (precursors in my day to go-karts and other dodgy toys) have emissions controls and tamper-resistant this and that.
October 31, 2007 at 12:58 pm
If you want the terrists to be able to make some WMDs and Anthracks and DIRTY BOMBS with the radioactive chemicals then go ahead and let them buy chemistry sets. then youll learn.
October 31, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Re: comments by Clintus McDoughy
Let’s be logical here, Clintus. If “terrists” want to build WMD’s, dirty bombs, etc., they won’t be doing so by purchasing home chemistry sets.
My now 9 yrs old daughter wanted a chemistry set two years ago for christmas. I searched and did the best I could, but she was sorely disappointed. “But where is the burner?” she asked. She wanted the real deal of my childhood, but it simply doesn’t exist anymore.
How can we expect to be a nation strong in the sciences if we don’t allow our curious and intelligent children to experiment? It’s all part of the dumbing down of our nation, and we will continue to pay for it down the road.
October 31, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Right, the tidbit of radioactive material in a chem set is a risk? I’m sorry, but the high school chem lab has better. And they’re not that hard to get into. Oh and they can make dirty bombs from other sources. Your arguement is full of holes.
October 31, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Edmunds Scientific still sells a decent chemistry set:
http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3001651
Enjoy.
October 31, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Ahhh my first chemistry set…”wow yellow fire, wow green fire, wow blue fire, wow what a BIG fire!”
October 31, 2007 at 1:40 pm
I have a chemical supplier near my work which, I’m sure, has had to undergo many changes due to stupid laws. But the only black mark on this good article was trying to blame political parties. Much of the governmental interference has been in the past few years… and it’s a bad idea to start pointing fingers at specific parties instead of an overwhelming trend of idiots in power, forcing their fears onto legitimate users in the form of laws.
October 31, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Uh, I think (hope) that Clintus was kidding…
Anyway, I’m a pretty successful research chemist now and it all started with pretty pictures of experimentation in elaborate glassware. At the age of 4 I decided I wanted to do that. Got my first set at 7 and off we went!
My oldest is 8 and I will be getting him a chemistry set. As long as I can find him the bare bones and experiment book off Ebay, I can get the chemicals specified in the experiments at work. He wants to be a chemist when he grows up, too!
October 31, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Do you thin the millions of victims of the 9/11 tradegy think I am joking? Sure, no one may be able to do much with one chemistry set. but think if they bought several at a time and think the things they can do!? They educate all the terroist in AMERICA and send them back to iraq where their intellignce and minds become CORRUPTED so they do twisted things and make dirty bombs with simple things like fertalizor and candles and chemistry sets. We have to sacrafice to, just like our MEN in uniform are sacrtificing for US. Do you think they give a hogs wash about a chemistry set? NOT WHEN THEY ARE DODGING ROADSIDE BOMBS! thats our responsibility to worry. you all need to get THAT in your HEADS.
October 31, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Wow, Clintus. Regardless of you being one step from illiterate, you’re irrational post is not only unfounded but also pointless. While even pre-9/11 chemistry sets had a couple chemicals capable of making a little smoke and fumes, you can always do better by shopping the cleaning section at the grocery.
The only “problem” with all of this education is that you apparently didn’t get any.
October 31, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Here is a detailed link to that chemistry set. http://storeforknowledge.com/CHEM-C3000-Chemistry-Experiment-Kit-P5760C198.aspx
October 31, 2007 at 2:32 pm
# Clintus McDoughy Says:
October 31, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Do you thin the millions of victims of the 9/11 tradegy think I am joking? Sure, no one may be able to do much with one chemistry set. but think if they bought several at a time and think the things they can do!? They educate all the terroist in AMERICA and send them back to iraq where their intellignce and minds become CORRUPTED so they do twisted things and make dirty bombs with simple things like fertalizor and candles and chemistry sets.
Well maybe we should outlaw boxknife’s that’s what the terrorist used not chemistry sets and then maybe we should schools and education. Are you that dumb Clintus.
October 31, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Hey Clintus, I think you would be better suited to get a Leapfrog so you can work on your spelling and vocabulary and leave national security to the educated.
Illiteracy is a bigger threat to our freedom and lifestyle than anything that could be produced from a chemistry set.
October 31, 2007 at 3:08 pm
It’s a sad comment our over reactive society to deprive children of a childhood rite, at least one that we of an older generation recall. Yet, we clamour for more of our students to take an interest in science but we make their introduction nearly impossible. It’s obvious our other efforts are not working. Maybe a bit of common sense and reality will make us realize the benefits of such activity and create our own scientists for good. Instead of evil.
October 31, 2007 at 3:58 pm
I have great memories of my friend Brian and I playing with his chemistry set. Poor children today.
October 31, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Shouldn’t the amateur chemist approach be to make or refine the needed chemicals themselves?
It’s not that difficult to burn hardwood to ash, make the ash into lye, and the boil the lye down to retrieve the potash. Okay, it’s impure but it’s still a form of potassium carbonate.
If they could extract sulphur from pyrite in the 1800s, then a halfway decent amateur chemist should be able to manage it today.
While it’s been a long time since I studied organic chemistry, I can still think of scores of chemicals that I could extract and refine from naturally occurring raw materials. And with access to a supermarket or hardware store, well…
And here’s one for Clintus, have you considered banning urine? After all, it can be used to make urea nitrate - which goes BANG! (As for the nitric acid, it was first synthesised back in 700AD or so, so again quite doable today. Oh, and to make Clintus really paranoid, it was a Muslim who first synthesised nitric acid. They must have been planning this for a long time.)
October 31, 2007 at 4:22 pm
All Clintus is saying
is give fear a chance
October 31, 2007 at 4:44 pm
gess then chemustry fumes has made you unable to detect a clintus troll
October 31, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Thinking can get you killed. Stop thinking, watch TV and shut up.
October 31, 2007 at 5:13 pm
As TM wrote in regards to Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel:
Do Not Feed The Troll!
Come on people, general apparent IQ of those posting comments thus far seems to be high enough to realize this
October 31, 2007 at 7:29 pm
The radiomaterial in a Gilbert chemistry set was Uranium (ore), which is found in about 80% of the Earth’s crust. You get more activity from the thorium contained in the granite blocks at the corner bank. Grab a Geiger counter and check it out yourself. Uranium was a reasonable choice as it emits alpha, beta and gamma, giving the novice a good way to experiment.
If I were going to make a dirty bomb, I would be looking for Cesium-137 in the techno-junk that hospitals routinely disgard in their old radiotherapy equipment. Or look for Strontium-90 on some post-USSR mountain tops (Lja, Georgia) where it was used in radiothermonic power sources for aeronautical navigational beacons (NDBs)— long since abandoned.
And even a poor chemist could do you with a chemical WnsMD (not-so mass) made from mixing a couple of household cleaners found in virtually any home. Add a little CO from a smokey flame and presto: a nice green ground hugging cloud that makes you wish you were only snorting wasabi.
And Ni, I was not really pointing fingers. If I were I would probably have either run out or had to borrow a few other Angry-Men’s hands.
October 31, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Stonehead wrote:
>>>It’s not that difficult to burn hardwood to ash, make the ash into lye, and the boil the lye down to retrieve the potash. Okay, it’s impure but it’s still a form of potassium carbonate.<<<
I actually have done that. Even the distilling is not that difficult. Wood selection is critical as some softwoods, seaweeds and grasses give Sodium Carbonate and hard woods give Potassium Carbonate. You have to use ashes, not charcoals, and you need a lot, and the leaching process takes a really long time. And it’s messy.
My point in the post was that the logical extension of this thought process does just that: basic precursors like seawater, natural gas, etc. become controlled. In Texas it’s already illegal to own a boiling flask.
October 31, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Real chemists don’t even use test tubes.
We use lots of round bottom flasks.
October 31, 2007 at 8:51 pm
I have plenty of TT’s and flasks from my childhood chemistry days. All this time I thought my E-Bay riches would be in collectibles like baseball cards, and now I find out that my real money is in the flasks? Wow, you never see the opportunities coming!
October 31, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Got a citation for that?
October 31, 2007 at 9:23 pm
I remember my first chemistry set - it looked something like the one in the picture, with twenty or thirty little bottles. I took a look at the “embarrassing” link and was appalled to see something billing itself as a “Chemistry Set” containing only citric acid and gelatin. Go squeeze an orange!
Regarding methamphetamines, I think the precautions the government has taken are absolutely ridiculous. I work at a retail pharmacy where many customers weren’t too happy about the “pseudoephedrine logs” we had to fill out every time they purchased PSE, and now the scanning of licenses (this is New Jersey).
But most of today’s chemistry kits revolve around the creation of polymers, crystals, or litmus paper, which are interesting enough in their own right but certainly should not be the extent of such sets. I feel bad for all the children whose parents buy them this crap for Christmas.
P.S. If I had a few hundred grams of potassium I’d readily send it to you.
October 31, 2007 at 9:49 pm
[rant]
I am not a real common responder to blogs, but I have to say that I have to agree with several comments, so here is my political mumbo-jumbo in relation to this…
China (Republic of China for that matter) = Communist
Republican party running government != Communist?
Democracy = Demos Cratos = Power of the people
And lastly…
Communist != Democracy
I know I will get cheesed for saying that, but I really am sick of feeling that every day I am being watched more and more by our government. I mean, honestly, red light cameras? Phone line snooping without warrants? The government even tells you what jobs you can/can’t have based on your race (I may be Caucasian, but any other color and you are automatically working a different position).
[/rant]
October 31, 2007 at 10:07 pm
If the author wants potassium carbonate, I suggest checking on eBay. About $20 delivered for 3 pounds (under $3/pound before shipping costs are figured in).
As a trained chemist, chemistry sets today are pretty wimpy, I agree.
October 31, 2007 at 10:13 pm
And someone asked for a cite that boiling flasks are illegal as per Texas DPS, section 481.002:
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/HS/content/htm/hs.006.00.000481.00.htm
(53) “Chemical laboratory apparatus” means any item of equipment designed, made, or adapted to manufacture a controlled substance or a controlled substance analogue, including:
(A) a condenser;
(B) a distilling apparatus;
(C) a vacuum drier;
(D) a three-neck or distilling flask;
(E) a tableting machine;
(F) an encapsulating machine;
(G) a filter, Buchner, or separatory funnel;
(H) an Erlenmeyer, two-neck, or single-neck
flask;
(I) a round-bottom, Florence, thermometer, or filtering flask;
(J) a Soxhlet extractor;
(K) a transformer;
(L) a flask heater;
(M) a heating mantel; or
(N) an adaptor tube.
I don’t believe it specifically mentions “boiling flask,” but that’s a vague description for a chemist. Erlenmeyer flasks are regulated, along with other types of glassware. It’s ridiculous.
October 31, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Oliver Sacks addressed this issue in “Uncle Tungsten: Memories of a Chemical Boyhood”
October 31, 2007 at 10:22 pm
It’s good for us that the US is on a downward slide into intellectual and moral mediocrity. It will give us Asian countries the chance to rise and become the centers of intellectualism, research and innovation of the future. And a whole market of thoughtless, consuming US cattle citizens to sell our products to. Land of the greed and home of the slaves.
October 31, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Chemistry sets?!??
No one wants to be a scientist these days, just the crazy Asians and Indians that are flooding the American universities.
When will the first Lawyer Set or Judge Set be available?
“Have fun, sue your friends left and right!”
Kids need to learn for the future.
October 31, 2007 at 10:43 pm
> (K) a transformer;
Oh, hell, I’m going to jail.
October 31, 2007 at 11:19 pm
““Have fun, sue your friends left and right!””
People wonder why everyone wants to be a lawyer. Mind boggling…. The USA is sue happy; friggin sick.
November 1, 2007 at 12:08 am
Rantou, not sure what your point is — if this is an allusion to the US political partys, you should realize the Dems and Republicans are both just as bad. Bush etc. have been pretty bad, but the Dems have done NOTHING to stop warrantless wiretaps and other unconstitutional actions, even now that they are in control of the House+Senate.
As for signing in for getting Tussin — yeah that’s bull. I have frankly just put a squiggle, I won’t sign an actual signature for something so dumb.
I can’t make this up — I had someone come into the surplus store I work at, collect up a good collection of bunsen burners, flasks, and tubing, then like “Ummmm.. do you sell tanks of ammonia?” Amazing. I couldn’t help rolling my eyes at them a bit when I was like “Umm, no.”
OK, back on topic.. restricting common stuff like potassium is ridiculous. Sure, someone gettings pounds and pounds would be odd.. but.. 100 grams of potassium carbonate? Ridiculous that that’d be a problem at all. The chem kits losing stuff started at least 20 years ago though — I had a chem kit as a kid, it already was missing quite a few chems I do believe. As a contrast, I later got a Chemkit from my grandparents. The little atomic energy booklet in it is a real trip.. (you can see it in the little photo on the left).. it was from the 40’s or 50’s so they were sure there’d be atomic rockets, cars, etc in due time. The experiment regarding the included Uranium ore amounted to going into a dark closet with a crude scintilation tube (tube with paper that flashes when hit with alpha particles.)
November 1, 2007 at 12:44 am
I’m 65+ and from all your blogs I feel it is my responsibility to apologize to all you, because you sound in your blogs younger, for leaving you this heap of DUNG to live with and worse, workout what we old fools refused to take a stand on. Like them Demos and Republicans, I call it the blind leading the blind.
Poor Clintus, I hope he was playing the devils advocate, because if my class in probabilities was correct there are another thousand that are siding with Clintus. It looks pretty grim.
And Cris that poor misguided Asian needs to go and study his history a little more so that he can learn who taught his people what to do with all that beautiful fireworks.
Meaning that if we are not allowed to experiment in our society there will never be an orginal idea coming from the Asian part of the world. Don’t get me wrong you’re all great little rote workers. Break away from that tedious work and then maybe your country will trump Western civilization.
To all, enjoy reading your remarks. One more thing Clintus, using your logic, or lack thereof, all us males should be arrested for attempted rape, afterall we are carrying the tool with witch to commit the act.
November 1, 2007 at 1:01 am
That Edmund Scientific chemistry set is WAY overpriced.
Did any of you people remember the Perfect brand of chemicals and scientific stuff?
I used to get the magnesium wire, the powered aluminium and iron for Thermite! The Goldschmidt process. It was educational and hot at the same time.
My favorite was nitrogen tri-iodide, Iodine crystals and Ammonia. I blew holes in many a piece of furniture as the stuff dried and someone slammed a door nearby.
Those were the days.
November 1, 2007 at 1:04 am
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November 1, 2007 at 1:06 am
You couldn’t get potassium carbonate for darn sakes? That’s loony. How about washing soda? Frustrating to say the least.
I want to be able to get my son a chemistry set, if he shows any interest at all.
I had some fun with KNO3 and sugar too, when I was young.
November 1, 2007 at 1:17 am
I sincerely hope you guys vote for a sensible guy next election. It’s not just your world that is ruined by the stupid government you have (although we don’t really suffer from not being able to buy chemistry sets but it’s the rest of the crap they are doing).
November 1, 2007 at 1:35 am
The reason that boiling flasks or anything of that manner is regulated is not because of safety, it’s becuase of economics.
It’s currently illegal to distill your own alcohol; a person 18 years of age or older can brew his own beer or make his own wine. But, hard liquors are so heavily taxed and the government earns so much revenue off of it that it’s pointless not to tax. It’s for this reason that perfumes and anything with even the slightest amount of alcohol have methanol mixed in (so that no one would drink it). Even the laboratory that I used to work at had to order 100% alcohol off of a special license. It’s VERY difficult to order pure ethanol.
It has nothing to do with “safety”
November 1, 2007 at 1:53 am
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November 1, 2007 at 2:53 am
Just to take another look at the Texas Controlled Substances Act:
(53) “Chemical laboratory apparatus” means any item of equipment designed, made, or adapted to manufacture a controlled substance or a controlled substance analogue, including:
Surely the discussion here has missed the part of the sentence which says “designed, made or adapted to manufacture a controlled substance…” Were I up before the beak in Texas on charges of possession of a conical flask, I’d walk on the grounds that it wasn’t specifically designed to manufacture a controlled substance.
Has anyone (who wasn’t cooking up meth) been successfully prosecuted for possession of glassware?
–Dave
November 1, 2007 at 3:32 am
My older brother had a “real” chemistry set as a kid in the 60s. One of his most cherished is memories is of my Dad yelling at him: “Dave, do you know you almost killed your mother?!!!” She had nearly passed out from the fumes from one of his experiments.
On a related note, in the 70s/80s, Edmund Scientific’s catalog was a wonderland of dangerous geek toys - the pocket sized plasma torch comes to mind. A friend of mine had a “real” laser - the thing was handheld but probably weighed 10 pounds. Great fun. Good luck finding that kind of stuff these days.
November 1, 2007 at 4:12 am
Gary, “pocket sized plasma torch”? Tell us more, google has nothing about this.
November 1, 2007 at 4:34 am
Clintus is a comic genius, starting with the awesome phony hick name of Clintus McDoughy.
November 1, 2007 at 5:07 am
Wow set for chemistry. My parents didn’t allow me to buy and I got now a Ph.D. in chemistry since sooner or later i wanted to play with a bunsen. But the most important part will be to play with children and to teach them chemist when they are still curious of science before their immagination get killed in school
November 1, 2007 at 5:14 am
Endangered Species - The Chemistry Set (The 12 Angry Men Blog)
“What do Islamofacism, meth production, tort lawyers, and homemade fireworks have in common? [..]they are all part of the seemingly inevitable process of destroying the childhood Chemistry Set”
November 1, 2007 at 5:21 am
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November 1, 2007 at 5:29 am
Dear Clintus McDoughy; in exactly how many home chemistry sets do You find any, even slightly radioactive nucleotides or Bacillus anthracis-spores? Sure, You´ll probably get some basic knowledge in chemistry, but that´s very far away from building dirty bombs. For a man on the street it should be and it is very difficult to find really dangerous compounds, i.e. anthrax-spores or radioactive substances.
With Your way of seeing things, all education in chemistry should be forbidden and thereby a lot of knowledge abolished. The only thing You are truly sacrifying is just the minds of potential scientists for the “good sake” of not beeing able to get proper education.
If someone really wants to build such horrifying things, the required information can be found elsewhere than in home chemistry set.
November 1, 2007 at 5:52 am
[...] 12 Angry Men laments the wussification of these old chemistry sets. No danger anymore, he says. [...]
November 1, 2007 at 5:54 am
When I was a kid in England I routinely got a Lott’s Chemistry Set for Christmas, each year the next set up — they were wonderful. Now as an adult on the nostalgia trail, I tried to find such a set, but they are no longer made. I did get an old one on eBay. What I do now to stock my little lab is order through Hagenow, now called elemental Scientific. Nice catalogue available. http://www.hagenowlaboratories.com
November 1, 2007 at 6:06 am
It is a shame that the world has gone down this avenue. Which is a shame as we can no longer pick up the chemistry kits i used to get my mitts on as a kid.
But on the brighter side i guess is we’ve learned the detrimental side of some of the things we’ve been doing. Cue hippy comments about the environment, global warming and improving our understanding of science etc..
November 1, 2007 at 6:20 am
We need to stand up for our rights and the rights of our children to blow things up. Talk to your local politician and let them know how you feel. We complain that this is so ridiculous, but talking without telling the people who make these decisions is just blowing wind.
I appreciate the angry men for posting this. Awareness if extremely important, I didn’t know that this was such an issue. I never got into chemistry but I think that if I have kids they should be able to become a chemist if they want. And I think that it will become impossible if they don’t have the tools to do so.
Some of you guys talk about creating your own chemicals sure that is fine for someone who already knows what the end product is but for those who are just trying to find something to do boiling ash doesn’t sound like fun. Having the tools readily available saves a lot of them and patience.
To x711, we are almost as much to blame as you are about the state of our country. We can vote our way back to the way things were when your were growing up. I wouldn’t discredit the Asians they are forming a middle and upper class that may rival our own someday. And with leisure time comes experimentation and with that come creativity and then you have the makings of the United States of America.
November 1, 2007 at 6:43 am
Overreaction, that’s it. Poeple who really intend doing weird things won’t get disturbed by a lack of chemsets in toy stores. If 3000 people died on 9/11, how many died since because of hanguns made so easily and widely available on the US territory ? I extensively played with chemicals when I was young, with a special focus on detonating (petards, rockets, fireworks) and stinking productions
… teenagers heaven
It never made a murderer, a narco dealer or a terrorist. I strongly believe that focusing on the right things (guns control, eg) rather than making a fuss about toys would be a much more efficent - but harder - way of saving lives.
November 1, 2007 at 6:46 am
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November 1, 2007 at 7:17 am
Christophe ,
I don’t own a gun and I know this is a different topic entirely but I think that preventing good Americans from purchasing guns is a shame just like keeping chemistry set out of the hands of good Americans is also a shame. Chemicals, guns, whatever, if there is a criminal that wants to get them then they are going to get them. I don’t think that the common man should be punished for something that someone else does. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch type of thing.
November 1, 2007 at 7:29 am
[...] sent me this link: Slashdot | Anti-Terrorism and the Death of the Chemistry Set that talks about Endangered Species - The Chemistry Set and how the war on terror has meant that chemistry sets for learning are now a thing of the past. I [...]
November 1, 2007 at 7:36 am
Gun-control will not stop murder - a murderer could just as easily kill with a screw-driver, a hammer, a kitchen knife, or any of a hundred other household implements. The solution is not in restriction, it is in moral education.
Our system of separation of govt from religion has turned into ‘no religion, no matter the cost’. We are reaping what we have sown.
November 1, 2007 at 7:52 am
“imagine the torrent of litigation directed to those giving a child a set of potentially dangerous chemicals. Its a CHILD, for God’s sake. [Oh, I’m sorry, for a minute there I was waxing Democrat.]”
The Republicans are at least as guilty of the “think of the children” approach to politics as the Democrats.
Your kind of partisan drivel is what is greatly responsible for this mess in the first place.
November 1, 2007 at 7:57 am
There are a lot of factors that effect our lives. I just think that there needs to be more chemicals in the chemistry sets. Tell your congress person http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
November 1, 2007 at 8:00 am
“Do you thin the millions of victims of the 9/11 tradegy think I am joking?”
Get some perspective, please. 9/11 killed 3000 people. That’s a tragedy, but it’s not “millions of victims”. In comparison, there are hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths in the US alone each and every year.
If the response to 9/11 had been about reducing tragedy, we wouldn’t have wasted a trillion dollars or so on ineffective wars that increase the probability of future terrorist attacks, we would have spent a few hundred million dollars on tightening airport security, and the rest of the money on public health, traffic and product safety.
But the response to 9/11 was fear mongering, political opportunism, profiteering, and wounded pride.
November 1, 2007 at 8:02 am
My younger brother had a modern chemistry set with relatively harmless chemicals. One day, when I came home, there were two policemen at my house who were there to investigate an alarm. I was handcuffed to a chair in my dining room and practically interrogated about what goes on in the basement kitchen where my brother kept the set - “We found dangerous chemicals! There was a black powder!”
They didn’t let me go until a specialist came in to tell them that the “black powder” was a vial of iron filings.
True story.
November 1, 2007 at 8:17 am
Meanwhile across the pond:
Oleum saturated sulphuric acid, nitric acid and acetic anhydride (!) are sold over the counter in Belgium, there haven’t been any real problems with that as far as I know.
One kid blew a hole in his house, killing his mother, but I believe that was an organic peroxide (precursors to which are still freely available in the US)
November 1, 2007 at 8:19 am
As far as I agree with moral education part I can not agree with @Christophe on gun control.
Look Columbine, Virginia Tech and others.
Ask yourself:
How may people one can kill with household implements?
Now, try to tell everyone that guns can not be used to kill more people.
“Gun-control will not stop murder - a murderer could just as easily kill with a screw-driver, a hammer, a kitchen knife, or any of a hundred other household implements. The solution is not in restriction, it is in moral education.”
November 1, 2007 at 8:41 am
Way off topic but- All gun control does is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves. It does not stop criminals from accessing firearms. In the U.K. and Australia since firearms were heavily restricted gun crime rose sharply. Why wouldnt that happen in the US?
November 1, 2007 at 8:49 am
I have agree with Clintus. The trajedy of the 911 is not what we want to happen again. many times it had been proven time and time agian that the terrerists used many chemestry sets to fool the fbi. the fbi had to spend months to figure it out. if we don’t stop this things from happening, who knows what will happen when they find the chemestry sets again?
November 1, 2007 at 9:05 am
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November 1, 2007 at 9:10 am
I remember (30 years ago uhhh) my father bought me a Chemistry set (in Mexico city).
it was pretty harmeless, but then one dya my father sumggled a package in the house (out of my mothers eyes..)
i had several bottles, 1kg of sulphuric acid, 1kg nitric Acid, 1kg clorhidric acid, and a few other interesting things… (he is a chemical enginner)
Then the fun began, i confess i made a few grams of notroglicerine, and when i get some mercury from a broken thermometer, i prepare some Mercury fulminate. Very amusing…
I became a chemical enginner too…
November 1, 2007 at 9:31 am
# Clintus McDoughy Says:
October 31, 2007 at 12:58 pm
If you want the terrists to be able to make some WMDs and Anthracks and DIRTY BOMBS with the radioactive chemicals then go ahead and let them buy chemistry sets. then youll learn.
Ok I am not going to read any more comments as I will just be further infuriated by the ignorance of the general populace of my blessed country.
However, I will say that if you agree with “Clintus” [sic], then you should go ahead and ban everything. I mean, if you ban chemistry sets, in fear of dirty bombs, then you need to ban geiger counters, because then people could find radioactive materials themselves. You also should consider banning cleaning supplies, fire, water, and damn near anything that can be used as a container. All glass should also be banned. The most abundant element in the universe, from which you cannot escape, Hydrogen should be banned. Basically life should be banned and in the name of freedom we should all lay down and die because by living we risk being killed.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Benjamin Franklin ( source quoted from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin )
November 1, 2007 at 9:37 am
How well I recall staining my toilet purple…I don’t know what it was about my experiments, but I always ended up with purple dye.
My friends Frank and Bennett moved on to combining Potassium Nitrate, sulphur and charcoal
and making the greatest tin foil rockets, and giant loud booms. Jetex rocket fuel, Revelle Model Kits and my Gilbert Chemistry set helped me recreate WWII action in my backyard.
There is no real point to this just happy memories of a less protected sanitized childhood
Gene
November 1, 2007 at 9:38 am
This is another result of our short-sighted government applying more controls on both its citizens and businesses. As the article implies, soon there won’t be anything left.
Recently I wanted to get some materials to make some printed circuit boards for a project. I wanted photoresist, acid etch solution, cleaner… the normal stuff. I couldn’t find it! Radio Shack used to sell it but they don’t carry photoresist anymore. I searched the web and could only buy in large quantities. I only want to make 2 small boards. Government regulation has killed yet another hobby.
November 1, 2007 at 9:43 am
I love my country and I always will. However, I am glad to be living in Europe. I may return home, when its the Land Of The Free again.
November 1, 2007 at 9:56 am
Ah yes the days of 3′ craiters in the back yard and not a remaining shread of dirt to fill them back in, walking across the Physics lab with purple smoke eminating from every footstep (Amonium tri iodide) went off two steps inside the door! Those days are gone! Today I’d be labeled a terrorist, for my early inocent experimentation. I still have all of my fngers & toes, no one got hurt, although my hearing is not what it should be!
As Gene said no real point, just memories, todays society is too protected, too many lawyers trying to justify their existence!
Don
November 1, 2007 at 10:08 am
Like I said:
I will say that if you agree with “Clintus” [sic], then you should go ahead and ban everything. I mean, if you ban chemistry sets, in fear of dirty bombs, then you need to ban geiger counters, because then people could find radioactive materials themselves. You also should consider banning cleaning supplies, fire, water, and damn near anything that can be used as a container. All glass should also be banned. The most abundant element in the universe, from which you cannot escape, Hydrogen should be banned. Basically life should be banned and in the name of freedom we should all lay down and die because by living we risk being killed.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Benjamin Franklin ( source quoted from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin )
November 1, 2007 at 10:15 am
Maybe if more people understood the scientific method we wouldn’t have so many Islamofascists to worry about in the first place.
For that matter, it might improve the government too…
November 1, 2007 at 10:20 am
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November 1, 2007 at 11:09 am
My friends and my fireworks were always better than you could buy, and never a threat to anyone!
I think it would be a better idea to ban idiots from public service! Leave them hiding in their paranoid little closits, and stop trying to protect me from me.
Don
November 1, 2007 at 11:20 am
well….there’s always diet coke
November 1, 2007 at 11:24 am
You’re right, Modern Chemistry sets are crap. colour changes do not an exciting afternoon make.
I read that someone up there was very concerned about terrorists using these playsets-shut up Clintus, you’re an idiot. If you really want to blow something up you are not going to give up on account of having to fill out a few forms. Please, these guys are prepared to carry out suicide bombings-they are a very motivated group of people, they’d find a way
November 1, 2007 at 11:35 am
Mike said:
###The Republicans are at least as guilty of the “think of the children” approach to politics as the Democrats.###
Yeah, that’s true: +cough+ Drug War +cough+
November 1, 2007 at 11:36 am
Its bad when the government and media contributes to paranoia. May be the next step is to ban matches to prevent the potential damage that kids playing with matches can do ( http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/01wildfire.html ) .
November 1, 2007 at 11:38 am
Being 60 years old, I grew up with the good chemistry sets. Yes, I made a few messes and did some risky things, but I went on to get an engineering degree with a minor in analytical chemistry. I credit my early exposure to science for my present position. This kind of “save us from ourselves” mentality just makes me sick. What if Tesla had been forbidden to play with those dangerous high voltages? The really stupid thing is that anyone with a real knowledge of chemistry can make those compounds they don’t want sold. Maybe we should start a “bathtub gin” movement to manufacture these chemicals, just to defeat their censorship. It eventually worked with prohibition, so maybe it would work again.
November 1, 2007 at 12:08 pm
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November 1, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Clintus McDoughy:
You need to quit watching so much CNN and being brain washed. Besides, controlling chemistry sets in the US is going to have little affect on a bunch of nut cases in the Middle east getting their hands on dangerous chemicals.
November 1, 2007 at 12:19 pm
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the Golden Book of Chemistry which came out in the early 1960s but was supposedly pulled off library shelves way back then. Scanned ersions can be obtained on CD.
See here:
http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/05/the_golden_book_of_chemistry_e.html
November 1, 2007 at 12:25 pm
@ Clintus
http://www.wesjones.com/silverstein1.htm
I guess we’ll have to take smoke detectors off the market soon too eh? Since they contain radio active material.
November 1, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Reality check:
Islamofascism wants non Muslims to be an “endangered species.
November 1, 2007 at 12:33 pm
Obviously Clintus McDoughy is well programmed with right wing propaganda and fear mongering. Sad really.
November 1, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Maria,
Evangelical Christian Fascists want science and intelligent, free thought to be endangered species.
Maybe you should lay off the Fox News for a while.
-Jack
November 1, 2007 at 12:37 pm
I used to love my set. But I lived in a small town and getting refills for most of the items in the set were easy. The saltpeter (Potassium nitrate) was the easiest to get. Being a small town in farming country, saltpeter was sold in the farm supply store as a diuretic for farm animals. The sulfur usually had to be bought at the pharmacy. But as I got older, I used my little brother or the neighbor’s little boy to go and ask for it. Most often a small child asking to refill his chemisty set got the chemicals I needed.
I wonder if it still works?
November 1, 2007 at 12:44 pm
I’m still surprised that you get get Henley’s Formulas (http://www.amazon.com/Henleys-Formulas-Workshop-Gardner-Hiscox/dp/0517293072)
It used to be a required book at the local University. I found a copy of it in my junior high school library. It quickly became the most checked out book in school due to the formulas for making all manner of explosives and fireworks.
I’m still surprised that we never got hurt with all of the crap we made from this book.
Ahhh, the follies of youth!
November 1, 2007 at 1:02 pm
clintus = Finneus = obvious troll is obvious
x711 = racist bigot is racist
I agree with mike, fear for the children is an irrationality that knows no political party.
Cool chemistry sets are cool
November 1, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Do you think the millions of victims of the 9/11 tradegy think I am joking?I don’t think they think much about anything anymore.
November 1, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Also it was a commercial airliner that devestated the WTC, not some chemist set. Are we supposed to ban air travel now?
November 1, 2007 at 1:24 pm
It’s “Democratic”
November 1, 2007 at 1:26 pm
But let’s be realistic. I had a chemistry set, had lots of fun with it.
Jim up the street had one too, he was a couple of years older than me. He mixed up something that was hot or acidic or both and burned the blue jeans and skin off from his thigh down to his knee. Still has the scar forty years later.
Then Vince, who was the older brother of a friend of mine, mixed up something with *his* chemistry set that blew off on hand and the last three fingers of the other. He had a pincer hook prosthesis where one hand used to be, and the thumb and forefinger left on the other. Also one eye was messed up.
I found a retired chemist selling off materials when I was in high school and bought a gallon of 77% sulfuric acid, a gallon of 95% (or somewhere therabaouts) nitric acid, ether, all kinds of neat things.
I remember coming back from vacation and finding the gallon of ether was gone. The lid wasn’t on tight and it had evaporated. Lucky for me my dad had turned off the pilot on the heater when we were gone, so the the house didn’t blow to kindling.
The box with the sulfuric acid in it got jostled and what dripped out ate a hole through the rug, the pad, the floor, and a joist. Luckily I saw it before I stuck my hand in it.
I also played with explosives with my friend Dan, whose father used to be able to get us fuses, potassium chlorate, aluminum powder, potassium permanganate, all kinds of neat things. We started a fire with explosives one very, very hot, very dry California August day that we and the neighbors just were able to beat out before we burned down most of Monte Sereno.
Then Mike, a friend of mine in high school, started doing chemistry with some pool chemicals in a bucket and cooked up something that resulted in a caustic, boiling fountain that took out one eye and burned off part of his face.
I like chemicals as much as the next guy or gal, and am part of the generation that doesn’t think “chemical” is a dirty word. In fact, my generation generally holds chemists in especially high esteem for many of the “wonder drugs” we explored as youths.
But the reality is that chemistry sets are really best used with oversight by someone who actually knows some chemistry, and is probably best done in a classroom.
But I still think they should be available to those who want to buy them.
Now don’t get me started on how pathetic most classroom chemistry is these days with all the worry about liability, etc. . . .
November 1, 2007 at 1:50 pm
When I was I kid, back in the early 60’s, I had one massive chemistry set. A friend of the family owned five hobby shops and decided to discontinue stocking chemistry sets and the replacement inventory of chemicals and glassware. He gave me everything. :>
And when I finally needed replacement chemicals, I ordered them in bulk from Cenco, a chemical supply company in downtown LA.
It’s amazing that I didn’t blow myself up, but somehow I survived.
November 1, 2007 at 2:51 pm
They had a nice segment on childrens chemistry sets on Wired Science the other week.
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/story/8-dangerous_science.html
November 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm
I never had one. Guess I missed my chance. Nuts!
November 1, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Mark wrote: <<I’m surprised no one has mentioned the Golden Book of Chemistry which came out in the early 1960s but was supposedly pulled off library shelves way back then.>>
Gaak! I had one of those books. I remember it well. I clicked through on his link and found it’s worth $2000. Arrgh! Someone got it in a garage sale.
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November 2, 2007 at 1:45 am
Chemistry sets were my best part of childhood. Of course I also had the requisite chunk of molten glass from the Almagordo Atom Bomb Test..no kidding and right next to my bed. I must have been irreadiated for more than ten years. Where did I get that? Why, easy..in Popular Science’s classified. Nowadays, you want to see chemistry..you have to watch Mythbusters since I guess they have a license to learn. The rest of the population are lucky to be able to make baking powder volcanoes. How very sad that America with its wonderful history of inventors and scientists are being treated like ninnies. Either the U.S. starts acting like a grownup nation and stops being afraid of some tribal idiots or it will become itself become a tribe of former great thinkers and creators. Chemistry sets, telescopes, chunks of the Almagordo crater..This is what made my childhood so wonderful. My favourtie birthday was Oct 4, 1957 when I hit 16..Sputnik was launched. I wondered then why it was not our satellite up there. I guess the writing was on the wall…NOT ENOUGH CHEMISTRY SETS EVEN THEN. SO VERY SAD THAT THE US IS RUN BY THOSE WHO DO NOT TRUST AMERICANS. I oppose guns but I do not oppose learning …chemistry sets cannot make enough dangerous compounds to do more than make the neighbors complain of rotten egg smells. Without them, anything original will be coming in as an import. Not a good future prognosis, I would suggest.
November 2, 2007 at 3:11 am
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November 2, 2007 at 4:18 am
Hey Clintus or should that be Cletus? I could be wrong here but I don’t think your “terrists” (known everywhere else as TERRORists) used a chemistry set to hi-jack an airplane.
November 2, 2007 at 4:33 am
YA UR ON UR WAY MR.
November 2, 2007 at 5:08 am
Well said that man. I loved chemistry when I was a kid, so much so that I did my degree in the subject. I don’t work in chemistry any more, but I do sometimes miss it. I can’t wait for my daughter to be old enough to start doing science (she’s only 1 year old atm)
Here in Britain Amazon sell this kit:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Discovery-World-Chemistry-Set-experiments/dp/B00005MMBJ
which looks like, while it doesn’t match up to the chemistry kits of old, at least does have a burner and some proper kit.
November 2, 2007 at 5:17 am
In about 1960, the arrival, strangely unannounced, of a chemistry set in our house (my father was a scientist) set me off.
I knew, from the moment of starting to use it, that I was Called to Science. Later on the same road came a Biochemistry degree at Oxford; not bad I suppose….in retirement I teach “A-level” sciences to privately, to local teenagers.
We in the UK seem to be allowed to own much more stuff, and apparatus, than it seems is the case in many US States, and I use it to wow them and get them fired up. I can email any supplier in London and he will send me as many multi-necked flasks as I want to afford!
I can’t buy perchlorates or cyanides as easily as once I could have done though - blame wicked terrorists! Perhaps the Moslem assault on the West is privately under-written by Western socialists eager to fling us back to the pre-Enlightenment Dark Age, so they can feel important and war-lordish again?
November 2, 2007 at 5:40 am
The ATF and FBI are a bunch of mindless asshole government robots. Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms!, They can’t even control their bladders. Any of this stuff you mention is readily available if you know where to get it. I just love the Feds paranoia, but it won’t help.
Seig Heil George!
November 2, 2007 at 6:07 am
I had an exciting run in with the moron ATF in 1986 when they showed up at my lab in Oakland, CA. I was working in an R&D organic chemistry lab on the NIH artificial heart program for the NHLBI. They were concerned that I had bought a 500ml bottle of Karl Fisher reagent (contains Pyridine) used for water titration in various urethane polymer materials we were researching for blood contacting surfaces in a cardiac device we were developing.
After attempting to enter a class 100 clean room without suiting up and ensuing in a loud argument, one of the dumb ass agents was standing next to me flicking a cigarette lighter near a beaker of toluene sitting on a stirring hotplate. I did the only sensible thing… I hosed these morons down with a dry chemical fire extinguisher and then kneed one of them in the nuts (hard); then put them under the lab safety shower, and physically threw both of them out of the building and dumped them in the parking lot soaking wet and covered with extinguisher powder.
They complained and tried to arrest and charge me with assault on a federal officer,I protested the attempt by shoving a Walther PPK up one’s nose, (I always carry) but the local ATF district head honcho ignored the agents protest by his own agents due to their obvious stupidity in causing a potential fire and explosion threat.
Afterwards, I refused to allow them access any longer to the building, warrant or not, and told them I would back it up with a big ass .45 automatic if they came back.
November 2, 2007 at 6:24 am
You don’t have to take shit from a cop! Just carry a bigger gun!
November 2, 2007 at 11:26 am
Haha.
Clintus is surely commenting in jest, else a fool he must be. Terrorists are not educated in the ways of weapons developement via fifty dollar chemistry sets — and anyone who would think so doesn’t know their ass from their elbow.
Imagine (as I’m sure Clintus is) for a second an underground warehouse, empty except for five rectangular tables. Around the tables sit four chairs each — and at each chair is a voracious looking spooky terrorist of the highest water. He is stern, serious and ready to give his life for Ala.
Imagine now that they have come to meet in this subterrainian “classroom” to be taught the ways of chemical weapons developement.
Five instructors approach the tables (and eager terrorist minds) and put five CHILDREN’S CHEMISTRY SETS on each table.
The learning begins — angry terrorists studying the instruction manual, using child sized spoons and tweezers, heating up miniature bunson burners and mixing HORRIFYING CHEMICALS until…BOOOOM! Someone has had a break through! Sodium Chloride and Oxygen (or whatever) have yeilded and explosion!
They hear a loud scream from above their incampment. And the service elevator decends to sublevel … they all look in fear, because they know they’ve been found out! The doors open and it’s THE TERRORIST MOTHER!!! “FOR ALA’S LOVE, YOU’VE DESTROYED MY BASEMENT! MAHAUDEY! ALADDIN! MUHAMMED! YOU’RE GROUNDED!
After their 3 week grounding the terrorists catch a plane to the middle east and with their new found, well taught, knowledge of child play things they construct a MEGA WEAPON AND LAUNCH IT RIGHT AT WASHINGTON DC, and all the people die. ALL BECAUSE OF THE CHEMISTRY SET!!! SON OF A BITCH MATEL! SON OF A BITCH PLAYSCHOOL! MOTHER FUCKER CHEMCRAFT!
See how silly that shit sounds? Let kids play. Terrorists would be terrorists with or with out the 240 piece chemistry set. Douche bag.
November 2, 2007 at 11:51 am
All Clintus jokery aside, I agree with this post. I fondly recall playing with my chemistry set, specifically rolling the mercury around in by palms because it looked and felt cool. Of course my Dad found me, yelled “What aer you doing?!?”, which caused me to drop it all. I’m pretty sure there’s still little bits of liquid mercury all over our basement floor.
Oh, and I didn’t grow up to be a terrorist. Maybe a rabblerouser, but of the non-violent nature.
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November 3, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Here is a story about a cousin of mine who was about 14 years older than me. My cousin was a single child who lived in Wichita Falls, Texas. His father was from Germany and, as old Germans used to always do, completely gave up on life after having failed just once in a business. He and his family were as poor as church mice and my family used to give my cousin a nice Christmas gift every year. One year we gave him a chemistry set. He was a very good student and was crazy about the set. He use to come home every day from school and, as well as on weekends, play with the set. He managed to build a room onto their garage for a personal chemistry lab. He eventually went on to college to get a doctorate, post doctorate, and then post post doctorate in chemistry. He was drafted somewhere along his college studies around 1950 and was placed in the Army chemical warfare research area. He was so valuable to the program that he couldn’t go anywhere without having two marines carrying 45s beside him. The last I heard of him, he was teaching at Stanford University. There was apparently a great deal of jealously toward him by the other professors (he knew far more than they did in the field) that they would never ok him to become a full professor.
This brilliant man’s career and service to society would probably never been as great if it had not been for a single chemistry set.
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November 5, 2007 at 10:01 am
I consider myself a very successful analyticl chemist. My first encounter with chemicals was in chemistry class in tenth grade. So I believe what we really need is good science teachers and creative ways to make learning science challenging for students.
November 5, 2007 at 11:59 am
The Education Station has Thames and Kosmos chemistry sets. Granted, there isn’t any cyanide in them, but they’re still fun. If you are a kid who has never had contact with radioactive substances, you can still get that scientific thrill by doing chemistry experiments without the danger. They don’t know what they’re missing, so they don’t miss it.
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November 9, 2007 at 3:15 pm
I’ve often lamented the disappearance of the chemistry set. I had a Skil-Craft set when I was at the appropriate age, and out of nostalgia went looking for one a year or so ago. I was shocked and dismayed at what passes for a “chemistry set” these days. I had reckoned that terrorism fears and liability lawsuits have all but killed the chemistry set industry. Thank God at least Thames and Kosmos is holding on.
If you want yet another heart-breaking example of how bad things are, ask any model rocket flyer how they feel about the ATF these days.
As for “Clintus” above, we should applaud him for providing an object lesson in what happens when kids *don’t* get things like chemistry sets.
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November 12, 2007 at 8:19 am
Well here in the UK the demise of the chemisty set goes hand-in-hand with the demise of science subjects in schools and the knock on effect on chemisty departments in a lot of Universities, our’s survived, but a lot of others have closed.
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November 14, 2007 at 1:24 am
The whole purpose of this effort to demonize the chemistry set by homeland security is to destroy America.
People have been using these things since forever and no one has endangered the U.S. or anyone else for that matter.
So there is no other reason for it, except to limit America’s ability to compete and educate it’s children. Also, I am sure that those in Washington for the most part don’t even know what chemistry is. They are mostly a bunch of uneducated morons that have other people think for them. They certainly never even bother to write their own speeches. That is because they cannot read or write.
It is a shame, but since you are not willing to fight for what you believe in, you deserve what you get.
- Sam
November 18, 2007 at 3:00 am
[...] is a terribly new development (I wrote about this sort of thing here and here), but it appears that anxieties about terrorists and meth-labs are sucking all the chemically goodness out of chemistry se…: Current instantiations are embarrassing. There are no chemicals except those which react at low [...]
November 18, 2007 at 3:30 am
wow, well clintus, or cletus or whatever your name is. calm the F down man. learn to read and write, go back to school, then come and try to make a valid point. on the issue of making valid points, I will.
I have served in the US military for several years now, and ya kn