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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Run away little dwarf lady! Run away!</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Lewis</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/nancy-cantor-turkey-trot/#comment-9582</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy Cantor is one of the top academics in America and a brilliant mind.  Bill O&#039;Reily..not so much.  Bill makes up for it with a gargantuan ego however.  Syracuse University is no doubt thrilled the country rubes in IL didn&#039;t need her anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Cantor is one of the top academics in America and a brilliant mind.  Bill O&#8217;Reily..not so much.  Bill makes up for it with a gargantuan ego however.  Syracuse University is no doubt thrilled the country rubes in IL didn&#8217;t need her anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: mildlypiquedacademician</title>
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		<dc:creator>mildlypiquedacademician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>APO wrote:

&lt;em&gt;My wife is a Seneca indian so I have heard many sides to the issue. One point that seldom gets reported is that many natives are in favor of such things because they keep alive some form of native awareness and culture.&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed, I&#039;ve heard the same thing from other people of Native American descent. Anyway, the Seminole nation has a very good relationship with Florida State and has rebuffed any attempts at sanction. In part that&#039;s because FSU has made an effort to reach out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APO wrote:</p>
<p><em>My wife is a Seneca indian so I have heard many sides to the issue. One point that seldom gets reported is that many natives are in favor of such things because they keep alive some form of native awareness and culture.</em></p>
<p>Indeed, I&#8217;ve heard the same thing from other people of Native American descent. Anyway, the Seminole nation has a very good relationship with Florida State and has rebuffed any attempts at sanction. In part that&#8217;s because FSU has made an effort to reach out.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Political Optimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry Political Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have actually taken a pretty neutral stance towards the &quot;Chief&quot; issue. My biggest gripe is with the process.

The NCAA was way out of bounds in their action.  The U of I board of directors went around several referendums which were 80/20 in favor of the Chief.  If we live in a democracy, then we live in a democracy.  Cantor&#039;s dealing with the Swanland takeover was nothing short of disgusting.  Every thing about the issue was misused by one side or the other.

My wife is a Seneca indian so I have heard many sides to the issue.  One point that seldom gets reported is that many natives are in favor of such things because they keep alive some form of native awareness and culture.  Yes the Westward expansion Indian policy was flawed.  But you should sometimes hear the stories of what the native Americans did to each other.

In the early colonialization of India, the British wanted only to have a stable trade relationship.  The warring factions of the principalities disrupted that trade and the British found themselves pacifying larger and larger tracts until they were the de facto rulers of India.

I thing something similar happened in the Indian resettlement effort.  The initial thinking was that the Indian culture needed to be preserved, thus giving a moral justification for the atrocities involved in resettlement implementation.   The biggest problem for the tribes was believing Washington.  A problem we still have today, I might add. 

If I were a &quot;resettled&quot; native, I would be dead, because there would be no way I would be giving up my land because of some damn treaty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have actually taken a pretty neutral stance towards the &#8220;Chief&#8221; issue. My biggest gripe is with the process.</p>
<p>The NCAA was way out of bounds in their action.  The U of I board of directors went around several referendums which were 80/20 in favor of the Chief.  If we live in a democracy, then we live in a democracy.  Cantor&#8217;s dealing with the Swanland takeover was nothing short of disgusting.  Every thing about the issue was misused by one side or the other.</p>
<p>My wife is a Seneca indian so I have heard many sides to the issue.  One point that seldom gets reported is that many natives are in favor of such things because they keep alive some form of native awareness and culture.  Yes the Westward expansion Indian policy was flawed.  But you should sometimes hear the stories of what the native Americans did to each other.</p>
<p>In the early colonialization of India, the British wanted only to have a stable trade relationship.  The warring factions of the principalities disrupted that trade and the British found themselves pacifying larger and larger tracts until they were the de facto rulers of India.</p>
<p>I thing something similar happened in the Indian resettlement effort.  The initial thinking was that the Indian culture needed to be preserved, thus giving a moral justification for the atrocities involved in resettlement implementation.   The biggest problem for the tribes was believing Washington.  A problem we still have today, I might add. </p>
<p>If I were a &#8220;resettled&#8221; native, I would be dead, because there would be no way I would be giving up my land because of some damn treaty.</p>
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		<title>By: harebell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 06:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS it really is a good test of any theory that if you find yourself agreeing with Bill O you should go back and check all the details. Not bitchy or crappy, but based on experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS it really is a good test of any theory that if you find yourself agreeing with Bill O you should go back and check all the details. Not bitchy or crappy, but based on experience.</p>
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		<title>By: harebell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 06:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow APO
It looks like we&#039;re on a roll today.
Guess what? If you weren&#039;t invaded, colonised, subjected to arbitrary changes in law and subjected to horrendous bigotry then maybe having somebody from a different race dress up for the edification of a largely non-partisan crowd might have some entertainment value.
BUT your native population was invaded, colonised, subjected to arb..etc. And when those who prosecuted these atrocities decided it would be a blast to watch a performance to the joy of the largely victorious descendents of the perpetrators you get all peevish when folk might find this objectionable.
White guys blackened their faces not long ago, oh how quaint. Jews have been parodied throughout Europe since the death of christ.. but where is their sense of humour?
It&#039;s one thing for a black american to call himself a nigger, it is quite another for a white man to put on boot polish and do the same. So no this is not a straw man as per your previous post, this is a real insult to feelings and a gross whitewashing of reality. Somehow you seem to think that lieing and genocide in previous years can be erased by calling a white guy in a chief&#039;s &quot;costume&quot; a knight in shining armour. Then you get all pissy because the descendants of those subjected to don&#039;t see it that way. 
The only thing you got right was that Florida should have had its arse kicked too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow APO<br />
It looks like we&#8217;re on a roll today.<br />
Guess what? If you weren&#8217;t invaded, colonised, subjected to arbitrary changes in law and subjected to horrendous bigotry then maybe having somebody from a different race dress up for the edification of a largely non-partisan crowd might have some entertainment value.<br />
BUT your native population was invaded, colonised, subjected to arb..etc. And when those who prosecuted these atrocities decided it would be a blast to watch a performance to the joy of the largely victorious descendents of the perpetrators you get all peevish when folk might find this objectionable.<br />
White guys blackened their faces not long ago, oh how quaint. Jews have been parodied throughout Europe since the death of christ.. but where is their sense of humour?<br />
It&#8217;s one thing for a black american to call himself a nigger, it is quite another for a white man to put on boot polish and do the same. So no this is not a straw man as per your previous post, this is a real insult to feelings and a gross whitewashing of reality. Somehow you seem to think that lieing and genocide in previous years can be erased by calling a white guy in a chief&#8217;s &#8220;costume&#8221; a knight in shining armour. Then you get all pissy because the descendants of those subjected to don&#8217;t see it that way.<br />
The only thing you got right was that Florida should have had its arse kicked too.</p>
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