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		<title>By: Angry Political Optimist</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-9010</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Political Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least car loans are collateralized, even though the value depreciates by half when you drive it off the lot.  You would think that the spammers would at least know how to anchor a link.  Geeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least car loans are collateralized, even though the value depreciates by half when you drive it off the lot.  You would think that the spammers would at least know how to anchor a link.  Geeze.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliya Nam</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-9009</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliya Nam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow,great article,love the 12 angry men scenario. Very intersting writing.
I found some videos on the internet around this subject, maybe you have time to look I think you will find them interesting.http://car-loans-1.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow,great article,love the 12 angry men scenario. Very intersting writing.<br />
I found some videos on the internet around this subject, maybe you have time to look I think you will find them interesting.http://car-loans-1.com</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Political Optimist</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-8950</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Political Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOC ---
Not only has the credit industry not learned a thing, but it seems that the fallout from their run-amuck-ness has spurred them to new heights.

I have a land line (God knows what for!) and I am receiving 10 calls a day from telemarketers.  About four are for &#039;warranties&#039; and &#039;extended warranties&#039; --- apparently my dealership has leased its client list --- and the other six are for opportunities to &#039;fix&#039; my mortgage, eliminate my &#039;repricing baloon payment&#039;, or get a great deal on new low downpayment/ low interest rate mortgage.

What was Malcolm&#039;s line in Jurassic Park.  Oh yeah....&quot;You didn&#039;t earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don&#039;t take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you&#039;re selling it, you want to sell it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOC &#8212;<br />
Not only has the credit industry not learned a thing, but it seems that the fallout from their run-amuck-ness has spurred them to new heights.</p>
<p>I have a land line (God knows what for!) and I am receiving 10 calls a day from telemarketers.  About four are for &#8216;warranties&#8217; and &#8216;extended warranties&#8217; &#8212; apparently my dealership has leased its client list &#8212; and the other six are for opportunities to &#8216;fix&#8217; my mortgage, eliminate my &#8216;repricing baloon payment&#8217;, or get a great deal on new low downpayment/ low interest rate mortgage.</p>
<p>What was Malcolm&#8217;s line in Jurassic Park.  Oh yeah&#8230;.&#8221;You didn&#8217;t earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don&#8217;t take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you&#8217;re selling it, you want to sell it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Harebell</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-8943</link>
		<dc:creator>Harebell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love north americans
You guys live your life as if there is no repercussions for your actions.
It shows in your dealings with the outside world and with each other. You make bad decisions based on nothing but wishful thinking and then you want somebody to dig you out of the poo.
If you want to live on credit do not be surprised when somebody calls in your marker. If you want to gamble on the sub prime then prepare to go down in flames. Guess what if a deal seems too good to be true it probably is.
The US constantly tries to change the rules mid game and screams you are anti-American if somebody queries it.
Sometimes daddy is not gonna bail youse out so you will have tae do ya time yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love north americans<br />
You guys live your life as if there is no repercussions for your actions.<br />
It shows in your dealings with the outside world and with each other. You make bad decisions based on nothing but wishful thinking and then you want somebody to dig you out of the poo.<br />
If you want to live on credit do not be surprised when somebody calls in your marker. If you want to gamble on the sub prime then prepare to go down in flames. Guess what if a deal seems too good to be true it probably is.<br />
The US constantly tries to change the rules mid game and screams you are anti-American if somebody queries it.<br />
Sometimes daddy is not gonna bail youse out so you will have tae do ya time yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Political Optimist</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-8939</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Political Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle ---

I am not supporting the credit card industry, just using part of it as an example for securitiation.   Their bad habits are not germaine to the arguments of the sub-prime meltdown.

They are, in fact, accountable to certain standands.  If they are a national bank, they are regulated by the OCC.  If they are a credit union, by the NCUA, etc. But I take your point.

One of the &#039;transparency&#039; problems is that the regulators move, and rightly so, slowly in the face of innovation spurred by increased competition. Credit issuer&#039;s are lemmings --- any innovation will spread across issuers within a couple of months.  When AT&amp;T introduced the &quot;no-fee&quot; card, the others fell in line with similar offerings within two months, and a year later you couldn&#039;t find a card with annual fees. (as an example).

Charles Schumer attacked this &quot;openness&#039; issue with the Fair Credit and Charge Card Disclosure Act of 1988 which mandated disclosures of the terms and conditions in boxed tables and specifing type fonts and sizes.  These disclosures, now found in every offering, are known in the industry as the &quot;Schumer box&quot;.

The problem with the Schumer box is that is functions the same as the magicians right hand --- that is to say it distracts the audience from what the left hand is doing.  And what the left hand is doing is to:


	Decrease the grace period, over which you owe no interest on purchases from the traditional 1 billing cycle to as low as 15 days.

	Eliminate grace periods on cash advances.

	Provide for additional overlimit fees, late fees, inquiry fees, etc. 

	Design in interest rates which decrease slowly with good payment history, and increase exponentially with a single missed payment.

	Perform arbitrary portfolio repricing by giving you the option to either pay up your balance and leave or to acceed to the increased rate.

	Create reverse balance transferrals.

	Create extensive list opt-ins for affiliates.





All of which are disclosed in a minimum of eight pages of 6 point text.  And all of which are being done to offset the essentially dead telemarketing channel and the abysmal return of direct mail solicitations.  This has lead to the death of monoline card issuers.  There are none left.  All card issuers are now part of larger financial depository institutions.  

So consumers are left holding the stick when all this occurs, but by the time any regulatory body addresses it, the industry has moved on  --- or disappeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle &#8212;</p>
<p>I am not supporting the credit card industry, just using part of it as an example for securitiation.   Their bad habits are not germaine to the arguments of the sub-prime meltdown.</p>
<p>They are, in fact, accountable to certain standands.  If they are a national bank, they are regulated by the OCC.  If they are a credit union, by the NCUA, etc. But I take your point.</p>
<p>One of the &#8216;transparency&#8217; problems is that the regulators move, and rightly so, slowly in the face of innovation spurred by increased competition. Credit issuer&#8217;s are lemmings &#8212; any innovation will spread across issuers within a couple of months.  When AT&amp;T introduced the &#8220;no-fee&#8221; card, the others fell in line with similar offerings within two months, and a year later you couldn&#8217;t find a card with annual fees. (as an example).</p>
<p>Charles Schumer attacked this &#8220;openness&#8217; issue with the Fair Credit and Charge Card Disclosure Act of 1988 which mandated disclosures of the terms and conditions in boxed tables and specifing type fonts and sizes.  These disclosures, now found in every offering, are known in the industry as the &#8220;Schumer box&#8221;.</p>
<p>The problem with the Schumer box is that is functions the same as the magicians right hand &#8212; that is to say it distracts the audience from what the left hand is doing.  And what the left hand is doing is to:</p>
<p>	Decrease the grace period, over which you owe no interest on purchases from the traditional 1 billing cycle to as low as 15 days.</p>
<p>	Eliminate grace periods on cash advances.</p>
<p>	Provide for additional overlimit fees, late fees, inquiry fees, etc. </p>
<p>	Design in interest rates which decrease slowly with good payment history, and increase exponentially with a single missed payment.</p>
<p>	Perform arbitrary portfolio repricing by giving you the option to either pay up your balance and leave or to acceed to the increased rate.</p>
<p>	Create reverse balance transferrals.</p>
<p>	Create extensive list opt-ins for affiliates.</p>
<p>All of which are disclosed in a minimum of eight pages of 6 point text.  And all of which are being done to offset the essentially dead telemarketing channel and the abysmal return of direct mail solicitations.  This has lead to the death of monoline card issuers.  There are none left.  All card issuers are now part of larger financial depository institutions.  </p>
<p>So consumers are left holding the stick when all this occurs, but by the time any regulatory body addresses it, the industry has moved on  &#8212; or disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-8938</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But at the same time something could be done to add a little more transparency to the credit card industry, etc.  You are right to say that it isn&#039;t exclusively their fault - but with their variable rates and interchange fees, the list goes on, they are not being held to any standards whatsoever.  I&#039;ve done some work on this with unfaircreditcardfees.com and you can&#039;t tell me that the whole blame lies with the consumer. 

When you have interchange fees that aren&#039;t even directly charged to consumers but get passed on to them in the end of the way the system is clearly broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But at the same time something could be done to add a little more transparency to the credit card industry, etc.  You are right to say that it isn&#8217;t exclusively their fault &#8211; but with their variable rates and interchange fees, the list goes on, they are not being held to any standards whatsoever.  I&#8217;ve done some work on this with unfaircreditcardfees.com and you can&#8217;t tell me that the whole blame lies with the consumer. </p>
<p>When you have interchange fees that aren&#8217;t even directly charged to consumers but get passed on to them in the end of the way the system is clearly broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Immigrant</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-8929</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Immigrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what is wrought when we have an entire country who is bad at math.  &quot;What could possibly be the downside of New Math?&quot; they asked as they stressed that students felt good that their reading comprehension skills were never tested by such horrible things as &#039;story problems&#039; with &#039;real-world applications&#039;.  This is why people with a high school degree should be able to read at a high school level.  

When the lead up to the Great Depression is taught, it is with a smug disassociation from the human ignorance, greed, and imprudence that causes people to accept risky collateral in massive quantities with the thin hope of not causing a global disaster.  Congratulations, crappy history teachers &amp; students, you&#039;re now 0/2 on that count.

And Rob, either as a person or as a bot, represents the worst of these.  He&#039;s either hoping to get slave wages for spamming threads manually or he&#039;s the result of a programmer selling his slim skill at bot-writing to a disgusting marketing firm that makes no contribution to the betterment of mankind whatsoever.

So, for those of you playing the home game:
1) Don&#039;t fear story problems.
2) Don&#039;t get instantly-approved for anything.
3) Don&#039;t reward people whose efforts to make a quick buck cause a global financial meltdown.  Even people who rebuild their homes in a flood zone in a hurricane alley are more deserving of a hand-out than these people.  They dug their own flood plain and spun up their own hurricane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what is wrought when we have an entire country who is bad at math.  &#8220;What could possibly be the downside of New Math?&#8221; they asked as they stressed that students felt good that their reading comprehension skills were never tested by such horrible things as &#8217;story problems&#8217; with &#8216;real-world applications&#8217;.  This is why people with a high school degree should be able to read at a high school level.  </p>
<p>When the lead up to the Great Depression is taught, it is with a smug disassociation from the human ignorance, greed, and imprudence that causes people to accept risky collateral in massive quantities with the thin hope of not causing a global disaster.  Congratulations, crappy history teachers &amp; students, you&#8217;re now 0/2 on that count.</p>
<p>And Rob, either as a person or as a bot, represents the worst of these.  He&#8217;s either hoping to get slave wages for spamming threads manually or he&#8217;s the result of a programmer selling his slim skill at bot-writing to a disgusting marketing firm that makes no contribution to the betterment of mankind whatsoever.</p>
<p>So, for those of you playing the home game:<br />
1) Don&#8217;t fear story problems.<br />
2) Don&#8217;t get instantly-approved for anything.<br />
3) Don&#8217;t reward people whose efforts to make a quick buck cause a global financial meltdown.  Even people who rebuild their homes in a flood zone in a hurricane alley are more deserving of a hand-out than these people.  They dug their own flood plain and spun up their own hurricane.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry Overeducated  Catholic</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caution-to-the-wind-part-1-securitization/#comment-8928</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Overeducated  Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see from Rob (who&#039;s so enthusiastic about his new JetBlue card that he linked their site as his website name) that the credit industry has certainly learned their lesson from the stuff APO is discussing!  No more risky loans to everyone and their brother...

This is a key reason why the general government reaction to the subprime meltdown should be &quot;too bad, you made your bed, now lie in it&quot;.  Targeted bailouts may make sense in some cases, but the vast majority of lenders, borrowers, and middlemen were all trying for a quick buck, and need to pay the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see from Rob (who&#8217;s so enthusiastic about his new JetBlue card that he linked their site as his website name) that the credit industry has certainly learned their lesson from the stuff APO is discussing!  No more risky loans to everyone and their brother&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a key reason why the general government reaction to the subprime meltdown should be &#8220;too bad, you made your bed, now lie in it&#8221;.  Targeted bailouts may make sense in some cases, but the vast majority of lenders, borrowers, and middlemen were all trying for a quick buck, and need to pay the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 05:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got the JetBlue business credit card and boy am I glad - I just got half off of my coast to coast flight from L.A. to Ft Laud, FL.
That saved me over $400 bucks. Plus I get double rewards points for using it to pay my cell phone bill, gas bill, etc. I love this credit card - no fee for the first year too. I got approved instantly over at this site:
http://www.applybusinesscards.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got the JetBlue business credit card and boy am I glad &#8211; I just got half off of my coast to coast flight from L.A. to Ft Laud, FL.<br />
That saved me over $400 bucks. Plus I get double rewards points for using it to pay my cell phone bill, gas bill, etc. I love this credit card &#8211; no fee for the first year too. I got approved instantly over at this site:<br />
<a href="http://www.applybusinesscards.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.applybusinesscards.com</a></p>
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