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	<title>Comments on: The Best of Us: George Washington</title>
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		<title>By: Angry Overeducated  Catholic</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/the-best-of-us-george-washington/#comment-8871</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry Overeducated  Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think the real measure of the greatness of the Founders was precisely in their restraint.  These were all ambitious, prosperous men, many of whom were in part or whole self-made men: doctors, lawyers, tradesmen, bankers, etc.  They could have quite consciously and effectively voted themselves the contents of the treasury or set up an iron oligarchy under the appearance of Republic.

But, despite their various get-rich schemes, personal faults, and general human failings, it seems that they really did believe in the  odd mix of Enlightenment, Puritan, and pragmatic thought they claimed to.  And sacrificed maximizing their self-interest to erect a government designed to protect itself from human abuse, and the people from itself.

To me, it&#039;s a dual miracle: the miracle that the system they designed worked as well as it has, and the miracle of heroic virtue that these ambitious and prosperous men designed that system in the first place.

May not sound like much, but a quick survey of the world at the time, and even Britian, shows just how remarkable it was!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think the real measure of the greatness of the Founders was precisely in their restraint.  These were all ambitious, prosperous men, many of whom were in part or whole self-made men: doctors, lawyers, tradesmen, bankers, etc.  They could have quite consciously and effectively voted themselves the contents of the treasury or set up an iron oligarchy under the appearance of Republic.</p>
<p>But, despite their various get-rich schemes, personal faults, and general human failings, it seems that they really did believe in the  odd mix of Enlightenment, Puritan, and pragmatic thought they claimed to.  And sacrificed maximizing their self-interest to erect a government designed to protect itself from human abuse, and the people from itself.</p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s a dual miracle: the miracle that the system they designed worked as well as it has, and the miracle of heroic virtue that these ambitious and prosperous men designed that system in the first place.</p>
<p>May not sound like much, but a quick survey of the world at the time, and even Britian, shows just how remarkable it was!</p>
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		<title>By: mildlypiquedacademician</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think George Washington the man has largely been forgotten and replaced with hagiography of the cherry tree variety or reaction to hagiography. Your post provides a nice summary of issues that GW could have screwed up but didn&#039;t. 

The fact that GW and others&#039; motives were human---GW was denied a spot in the regular army---shouldn&#039;t be surprising. 

I&#039;ll recommend the historical novels by Jeff Shaara, &lt;em&gt;Rise to Rebellion&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;The Glorious Cause&lt;/em&gt; as a nice way to &quot;see inside&quot; the heads of Washington, Franklin, Adams, etc. Shaara&#039;s dad Michael was the founder of the psychological historical novel and was the master, but Jeff does a pretty good job. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Shaara

I greatly enjoyed his novel on the Mexican War, &lt;em&gt;Gone for Soldiers&lt;/em&gt;, which gave me a substantial respect for the achievement of Winfield Scott. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think George Washington the man has largely been forgotten and replaced with hagiography of the cherry tree variety or reaction to hagiography. Your post provides a nice summary of issues that GW could have screwed up but didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The fact that GW and others&#8217; motives were human&#8212;GW was denied a spot in the regular army&#8212;shouldn&#8217;t be surprising. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll recommend the historical novels by Jeff Shaara, <em>Rise to Rebellion</em> and <em>The Glorious Cause</em> as a nice way to &#8220;see inside&#8221; the heads of Washington, Franklin, Adams, etc. Shaara&#8217;s dad Michael was the founder of the psychological historical novel and was the master, but Jeff does a pretty good job. </p>
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<p>I greatly enjoyed his novel on the Mexican War, <em>Gone for Soldiers</em>, which gave me a substantial respect for the achievement of Winfield Scott.</p>
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		<title>By: mildlypiquedacademician</title>
		<link>http://12angrymen.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/the-best-of-us-george-washington/#comment-8856</link>
		<dc:creator>mildlypiquedacademician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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